very well done. >> we met hawke at the players in new york city. a 125-year-old social club for people in the arts. which as you'll see is what hawke is all about. his portrait is on the wall next to members christopher plummer and carol burnett. >> how did they approach you about this? >> i don't know. i could do without. >> but at 43 hawke's earned his place there. it all began with an audition in manhattan not too far from his boyhood home near princeton, new jersey. >> my mother thought it would be nice to get experience. in fact a big fight erupted when i got one of these parts then my mother said, well, you can't do it. >> you convinced them, come on, let me do this. >> 13-year-olds can be very persuasive. making them unhappy is such a miserable experience. >> that was great. >> the role was opposite river phoenix in the 1985 sci-fi film "explorers." >> i'm ben. me, ben. >> me, tarzan. >> it was a big budget flop. >> i like to say it was the best thing that ever happened to me if you really want life in the arts to get some good solid failure